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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSP-88-0000 - Supplemental - 0040 Kimball AvenuePLANNING COMMISSION The South Burlington meeting on Wednesday, Conference Room, City Members Present 17 AUGUST 1988 Planning Commission held a regular 17 August 1988, at 7:30 pm, in the Hall, 575 Dorset Street. Peter Jacob, Chairman; William Burgess, Mary -Barbara Maher, John Belter, William Craig, Catherine Peacock, Ann Pugh Also Present Joe Weith, City Planner; Sid Poger, The Other Paper; Chip Hart, Peter Bergh, Alan Palmer, Ken Desmond, Dennis Blodgett, Jerry Milot, John Larkin, A. Bartlett, Lance Llewellyn, Susan Hilton, Mr. & Mrs. Mansfield, Anne Ratkus, Fran Reiman, Steven Freedman, Alex Blair, John Jimto, Pat and Jim Brady, Stephen Crowley, Lowell Krassner, William Schuele, Gail Lang, Mary Anne Freedman 1. Minutes of 2 and 9 August 1988 Mrs. Maher moved the Minutes of 2 August be approved as written. Mr. Burgess seconded. Motion passed unanimously. In the Minutes of 9 August, Mr. Weith noted that on p. 1, last paragraph, the percentage of green space should be 70%, not 30%. He also noted that on p. 4, Mr. O'Neill said the barn "might" be a good location for a Fine Arts Center. Mrs. Maher moved the Minutes of 9 August be approved as amended. Ms. Peacock seconded. Motion passed unanimously. 2. Continuance.of site plan application of Osgood -Hart Properties for construction of a 58 space temporary parking lot, 40 Kimball Ave Remaining issues were front yard coverage and landscaping. Mr. Hart said they now have addressed both of these. There will be lights in the parking lot of the same type as those used in the lot at 30 Kimball Ave. All plantings will be on the lot, not in the right-of-way. Ms. Pugh moved the Planning Commission approve the site plan application of Osgood -Hart Properties for construction of a 64 space temporary parking lot at 40 Kimball Avenue as de- picted on a plan entitled "Temporary Parking Lot, Hart -Osgood Business Park North, Lot 11" prepared 12y Krebs & Lansing Con- sulting Engineers, Inc, dated 1/88 and last revised 8/16/88 with the following stipulations: 1. A $2100 landscaping bond shall be posted. PLANNING COMMISSION 17 AUGUST 1988 PAGE 2 2. The 5 foot wide sidewalk shall be extended across the entire frontage of the parcel within 5 years or upon devel- opment of the parcel immediately to the east or upon further development of 40 Kimball Avenue,.whichever comes first. A bond in an amount to be determined 12y the City Engineer to cover the cost of the sidewalk shall be posted. 3. The parking lot lights shall be the same as those on lot 30 which is consistent with Act 250. Mr. Belter seconded. Motion passed 5-0 with Messrs. Burgess and Craig abstaining. 3. Continuance of site plan application of Peter Bergh for construction of a 24 vehicle parking lot on recently acquired land adjacent to the Twin Oaks Tennis Club, Twin Oaks Drive Mr. Bergh indicated they plan to pave the lot. They will also plant another row of pines for screening. Mr. Burgess noted the plan says a gravel parking lot.. Mr. Jacob asked if there will be a drainage problem with paving. Mr. Bergh said no, there are 2 drop inlets at the edge of the lot and the lot will drain toward them. Mr. Burgess asked if the City Manager was aware the lot was to be'paved when the plan came in. Mr. Weith said he didn't know. Mr. Bergh said he told Mr. Szymanski. He would also agree to a stipulation that the site plan approval be subject to Mr. Szymanski's ap- proval of paving. Mr. Jacob said he felt the pines should be staggered to give a good screening to Southridge. Mr. Bergh said he would meet with residents to see where they want the trees. Mr. Craig noted this is a GMP right-of-way and trees might be cut down at their pleasure. Mrs. Maher noted the big light that shines on 8 units at Southridge. Members agreed that any lighting should be down -facing. Mrs. Maher also suggested trees be Austrian pine which don't get so high but grow fuller. Mr. Palmer noted Scotch pine also do not grow so high. Mrs. Maher reminded Mr. Bergh that he had said the lot was for employee parking but the sign presently there says parking is for members. Mr. Burgess said he is confused about what is actually going on here. A gravel lot is now to be paved, employee parking is now for members, etc. Mr. Belter said he didn't think it unreasonable to ask that there be a hedge row the entire length of the parking lot on Twin Oaks property to screen it so no one can see it. Ms. Peacock moved the Planning Commission approve the site Plan application of Peter Bergh for construction of a 24 space parking lot as depicted on a plan entitled "Twin Oaks PLANNING COMMISSION 9 AUGUST 1988 The South Burlington Planning Commission held a regular meeting on Tuesday, 9 August 1988, at 7:30 pm, in the Conference Room, City Hall, 575 Dorset Street. Members Present William Burgess, Acting Chairman; Mary -Barbara Maher, John Belter, William Craig, Catherine Peacock Also Present Joe Weith, City Planner; Sid Poger, The Other Paper; John Osgood, Bill Shearer, Susan Hilton, Sandee & Alex Blair, Gordon Allen, Chip Hart, Barbara McKnight, Jerry Milot, John Larkin, A. Bartlett, Lance Llewellyn, Cahrles Scott 1. Minutes of 26 July 1988 Mr. Weith noted that on p.7 in the disucssion of the Nowland property, the sentence should read..." ... that the 60 ft. right of way would be placed so that lights from vehicles will not shine into houses across the street." Mrs. Maher moved the Minutes be approved as amended. Mr. Belter seconded. Motion passed 3-0 with Mr. Burgess and Ms. Peacock abstaining. 2. Site plan application of Osgood -Hart Properties for con- struction of a 58 space temporary parking lot, 40 Kimball Ave Mr. Hart located the property as the third lot down. They own the lot and have a tenant in the adjacent building (which they also own) who has extraordinary parking needs for class- room usage. Mr. Hart indicated when this tenant (IBM) decides not to renew the lease, a plan for a building on the lot will be presented. Mrs. Maher questioned whether the setback is sufficient for landscaping. Mr. Burgess stressed the Commission wants landscaping out of the right-of-way. Mrs. Maher then raised the question of the 30% front yard coverage and how a front yard is determined when there is no building. Mr. Burgess stressed the 30% requirement is there, and there is nothing the commission can do about it. Mr. Weith said that since the front yard is the setback area, at least 30% of that setback must be green space. Mrs. Maher suggested that since the developer owns the adjacent lot and building, they use the same setback as that lot. She also said that the existing curb cut for this lot be closed as it is not an approved curb cut. The question of the sidewalk was raised. Mr. Hart asked if this can be done when a building is put on the lot or when the next lot down develops. PLANNING COMMISSION 9 AUGUST 1988 PAGE 2 Mrs. Maher said it would be all right with her as long as it is shown on the plan and is specified in the approval. Mr. Osgood said they would be willing to bond for the cost of the sidewalk for 5 years. Members agreed this would be adequate. Mr. Osgood explained they have some time constraints with IBM and asked when the plan can be heard again. Members agreed if plans are presented by Friday, it can be heard at next Wednesday's meeting. A citizen raised the question of lighting for the parking lot. Mr. Hart said they assume most of the users will use the regular lot in the evening. Mrs. Maher moved to continue the application until the next scheduled meeting Mr. Belter seconded. Motion passed unanimously. 3. Discussion with Osgood -Hart Properties regarding a revision to the Final Plat application of the Summerwoods Planned residential development on Patchen Road Mr. Osgood noted the original approval was for 52 condo/town houses on approximately 14 acres. Since he and Mr. Hart have become involved, they have felt the plan should be revised to reflect what is going on in the market: less dense development, larger units, more open space. In addition, one of the abutters expressed interest in the western 3 acres of the property. The plan being presented would create 3 parcels from the one lot: one would be 3 acres, one would be 11 acres, and the last would be .5 acres. A duplex could be put on the smallest lot. Mrs. Maher said it appeared they are not really reducing density. Mr. Osgood said it had been 3.35 per acre and now would be 3.33. Mr. Burgess said they are now higher in terms of lot coverage. Mr. Osgood noted they have reduced from 52 to 40 units. Mr. Burgess noted the units are, however, larger. Mrs. Maher noted the 3 acres being sold are commercial. Mr. Burgess said this means they would be taking 3 acres that could not be developed in the future because they would have been counted in this development. Mrs. Maher said she would like to see the tax map on this. Mr. Osgood said they would reduce from 6 to 4 curb cuts off the city street, including the cut for the duplex lot. Mr. Burgess noted they would now be creating.a long private drive to serve 24 units. Mr. Weith said Mr. Szymanski is very con- PLANNING COMMISSION 9 AUGUST 1988 PAGE 2 Mrs. Maher said it would be all right with her as long as it is shown on the plan and is specified in the approval. Mr. Osgood said they would be willing to bond for the cost of the sidewalk for 5 years. Members agreed this would be adequate. Mr. Osgood explained they have some time constraints with IBM and asked when the plan can be heard again. Members agreed if plans are presented by Friday, it can be heard at next Wednesday's meeting. A citizen raised the question of lighting for the parking lot. Mr. Hart said they assume most of the users will use the regular lot in the evening. Mrs. Maher moved to continue the application until the next scheduled meeting Mr. Belter seconded. Motion passed unanimously. 3. Discussion with Osgood -Hart Properties regarding a revision to the Final Plat application of the Summerwoods planned residential development on Patchen Road Mr. Osgood noted the original approval was for 52 condo/town houses on approximately 14 acres. Since he and Mr. Hart have become involved, they have felt the plan should be revised to reflect what is going on in the market: less dense development, larger units, more open space. In addition, one of the abutters expressed interest in the western 3 acres of the property. The plan being presented would create 3 parcels from the one lot: one would be 3 acres, one would be 11 acres, and the last would be .5 acres. A duplex could be put on the smallest lot. Mrs. Maher said it appeared they are not really reducing density. Mr. Osgood said it had been 3.35 per acre and now would be 3.33. Mr. Burgess said they are now higher in terms of lot coverage. Mr. Osgood noted they have reduced from 52 to 40 units. Mr. Burgess noted the units are, however, larger. Mrs. Maher noted the 3 acres being sold are commercial. Mr. Burgess said this means they would be taking 3 acres that could not be developed in the future because they would have been counted in this development. Mrs. Maher said she would like to see the tax map on this. Mr. Osgood said they would reduce from 6 to 4 curb cuts off the city street, including the cut for the duplex lot. Mr. Burgess noted they would now be creating a long private drive to serve 24 units. Mr. Weith said Mr. Szymanski is very con- PLANNING COMMISSION 9 AUGUST 1988 PAGE 3 cerned about this. Mr. Craig felt the city should not get stuck having to plow this private road. Members agreed they would not accept the private road. Regarding parking, Mr. Osgood noted that every unit now has one inside and one outisde space. There are also 15 guest spaces. They are considering outlawing RV's. Mr. Weith noted that Mr. Szymanski did not like the public spaces off the road and was concerned with snow removal. Mrs. Maher said she did not favor the .5 lot for a separate duplex and would like to see it used for a part of this development. Mr. Hard said they wanted all the condos on one side of the road for continuity and a nicer feel. They thought the duplex was more consisted with the Brill house which is also a 2-family unit. Mr. Weith said Mr. Szymanski is also concerned about the layout of the street and where it will eventually line up with the other lot. He felt the previous plan had a better location for this. Mr. Craig also noted that 5 units encroach on the CO Zone. Mr. Hart said they are just on the border and there is a technicality because the stream dis- appears for a while underground. Mrs. Maher felt the plan should be reviewed by the Natural Resources Committee. Mr. Osgood said there would be no problem moving a few units to get out of the CO Zone. Mr. Weith noted the Fire Chief opposes the plan on grounds he cannot provide adequate fire protection. Mr. Hart said he has talked with the Chief and will continue to work with him. Members asked that the plans show a sidewalk on one side and also a location for the mail drop. 4. Sketch Plan application of G. Milot, A. Bartlett, and J. Larkin to construct a 392 unit planned residential development on a 198.8 acre parcel on Dorset St. at the Shelburne Town Line. Mr. Llewellyn located the project and said they propose 392 multi -family units at 2 units per acre. The development will be served by a road off Dorset Street which would become the Allen Road Extension at some point in time. It would be 32 ft. wide. Within the development, roads would be 30 ft. wide. The 3 Ramsey lots on Dorset St. are being purchased and will be part of the lot for this project. Municipal services will be extended for this project. 30-50 ft. front yard setbacks are shown with a 50' x 120' CITY OF SOUTH BURLINGTON SITE PLAN APPLICATION 1 OWNER OF CORD (name, address, phone #) �t�y� Nart ohn H. Osgood/ h. 496-2312 52 College Street P.O. Box 1037 -AND- Burlinggton VT 05401 Wa-Itsfield, VT 0567.5 -Ph-: -86�„ 2) APPLICANT ( name, address, phone #) Osgood -Hart Properties, c/o The Allen Agency, 252 College Street, Burlington, Vermont 05401 Phone # (802) 864-4200 3) CONTACT PERSON (name, address, phone #) Susan Hilton, P.O. Box 10375, Waitsfield, VT 05673, Phone 496-2312 4) PROJECT STREET ADDRESS : 40 Kimball Avenue 5 ) LOT NUMBER (if applicable) Lot 11, Business Park North _ 6) PROPOSED USE (S) Temporary Parking 7) SIZE OF PROJECT (i.e. total building square footage, # units, maximum height and # floors, square feet per floor) _ 58 parking spaces on 1.89 acres 8) NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES n/a 9) LOT COVERAGE: building %; landscaped areas % building, parking, outside storage20__% 10) COST ESTIMATES: Buildings $ , Landscaping Other Site Improvements ( please list with cost) $ 20,000 (Parking_ -lot) 11) ESTIMATED PROJECT COMPLETION DATE: 9-1-88 12) ESTIMATED AVERAGE: DAILY TRAFFIC (in and out) _�Q� iQDdwe�TR!f�S Estimated trip ends (in and out) during the following hours: Monday through Friday 11-12 noon _; l2-lp.m. �D _; 1-2 p.m. ; 2-:3 p.m. 3-4 p.m.�$"' ; 4-5 p.m._20_; 5-6 p.m._6--_; 6-7 p.m. ,�.... 13) PEAK HOURS OF OPERATION: 8 a.m. - 6 p.m. 14 ) PEAK DAYS OF OPERATI ON: _—Monday throroh_.PrOE; __OSGOOD-R ES DATE OF SUBMISSION SlGNATAPPI ANT John , RI ner DATE OF HEARING PLANNER 658-7955 City of South Burlington 575 DORSET STREET SOUTH BURLINGTON, VERMONT 05403 September 9, 1988 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR 658-7958 Osgood/Hart Properties c/o Allen Agency 252 College Street Burlington, Vermont 05401 Re: 40 Kimball Avenue Dear Mr. Osgood and Mr. Hart: Enclosed are the August 17, 1988 Planning Commission meeting minutes. Please call if you have any questions. Sincerely, �CL 44 Joe Weith, City Planner JW/mcp 1 Encl City of South Burlington 575 DORSET STREET SOUTH BURLINGTON, VERMONT 05403 PLANNER 658.7955 August 12, 1988 Osgood -Hart Properties c/o The Allen Agency 252 College Street Burlington, Vermont 05401 Re: 40 Kimball Avenue Dear Mr. Osgood and Mr. Hart: ZONING ADMINISTRATOR 658-7958 Enclosed is the agenda item for next Wednesday's Planning Commission meeting. Please be sure someone is present on Wednesday, August 17, 1988 at 7:30 P.M. to represent your request. Sincerely, Joe Weith, City Planner• JW/mcp Encls 8/17/88 JW MOTION OF APPROVAL I move that the South Burlington Planning Commission approve the site plan application of Osgood -Hart properties for construction of a 64 space temporary parking lot at 40 Kimball Avenue as depicted on a plan entitled "Temporary Parking Plan, Hart -Osgood, Business Park North, Lot 11" prepared by Krebs and Lansing Consulting Engineers, Inc., dated 1/88 and last revised 8/16/88 with the following stipulations: 1. A $2,100 landscaping bond shall be posted. 2. The 5 foot wide sidewalk shall be extended across the entire frontage of the parcel within 5 years or upon development of the parcel immediately to the east or upon further development of 40 Kimball Avenue, whichever comes first. A bond in an amount to be determined by the City Engineer to cover the cost of the sidewalk shall be posted. TO: FROM: RE: DATE: #1. #2. #3. #4. *uuth N urlingtnn -fire Department 575 19urnet #treet *uuM Burlington, Verrnnnt 05401 SO. BURLINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION CHIEF GODDETTE AUGUST 12,1988 AGENDA ITEMS THURSDAY AUGUST 491988 HART / OSGOOD PARKING LOT 40 KIMBALL AVE. 1 OFFICE OF JAMES W. GODDETTE, SR. CHIEF (802) 658-7960 PLANS REVIEWED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND AT THIS TIME I DO NOT SEE ANY PROBLEMS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. _. _- -- SUMMER WOODS PATCHEN ROAD REVISION HART/OSGOOD PLANS HAVE BEENREVIEWED BY THIS DEPARTMENT AND AT THIS TIME THERE IS NO WAY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD GIVE PROPER PROTECTION WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND FEEL THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD NOT APPROVE THE PROJECT. SOUTHEAST SUMMIT MILOT & LARKIN DORSET STREET RAMSEY PROPERTY PLANS REVIEWED BY THIS DEPARTMENT AND MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED ON WATER AND HYDRANT SYSTEM AS WELL AS BUILDINGS SIZE AND ACCESS. 3073 WILLISTON ROAD MICHAEL A. ABAIR I RECIEVED A REPORT WHEN DOING AN INSPECTION ON THE PROPERTY THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT BE GOING THROUGH. M E M O R A N D U M To: South Burlington Planning Commission From: Joe Weith, City Planner Re: August 9, 1988 Agenda items Date: August 5, 1988 (2) OSGOOD - HART PROPERTI 4 KIMBALL AVENUE Osgoo - es propose to construct a 58 space temporary parking lot to accommodate over flow parking from their office building located next door at 30 Kimball Avenue. The top floor of 30 Kimball Avenue has been leased to IBM which is using the space for classes. Mr. Osgood claims that there is insufficient parking on 30 Kimball Avenue to handle the demand generated by the building. The new gravel parking lot would be maintained for 3 or 4_ years until they decide whether or not to pave it or put up a building. Zoning: The lot is zoned Commercial 2. Lot coverage is 28%, well within the 70% maximum requirement. The parking lot and proposed grading of the lot are outside of the Conservation Zone. Access: Access for the parking lot is shown from a 27 foot wide driveway from the adjoining 30 Kimball Avenue property. No curb cut is shown from Kimball Avenue. Landscaping: The plan does not show any landscaping. I feel that sufficient landscaping should be installed along Kimball Avenue to properly screen the parking lot. This landscaping could be applied toward any future plans to construct a building. Other: See Bill Szymanski's and Chief Goddette's comments. 3) SUMMERWOODS P.U.D., PATCHEN ROAD Osgood -Hart properties propose to revise the approved Final Plat for the Summerwoods 52 unit planned unit development. The Final Plat was approved on October 6, 1987. The approved Final Plat shows a 52 unit multi -family dwelling development on a 15.5 acre parcel of land. The revised plat would subdivide the 15.5 acre parcel into 3 parcels of approximately 3.3, 11.7 and 0.5 acres, respectively. The 3.3 acre lot would be sold to an abutter. The 11.7 acre lot would contain 38 units in roughly the same area as the originally approved 52 units. The 0.5 acre lot would be used for a separate residential building but is not proposed at this time. The plan should be revised to clearly show the boundaries of the three lots. 1 ,tvuutb -N urlingtun Y ire D epartinent 375 Darset street #auto Nurlingtan, 13ermant 0401 TO: SO. BURLINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION FROM: CHIEF GODDETTE RE: AUGUST 12,1988 AGENDA ITEMS DATE: THURSDAY AUGUST 4,1988 #1. HART / OSGOOD 40 KIMBALL AVE. PARKING LOT PLANS REVIEWED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND AT THIS TIME I DO NOT SEE ANY PROBLEMS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. #2. #3. 1 OFFICE OF JAMES W. GODDETTE, SR. CHIEF (802) 658-7960 SUMMER WOODS PATCHEN ROAD REVISION HART/OSGOOD PLANS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THIS DEPARTMENT AND AT THIS TIME THERE IS NO WAY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD GIVE PROPER PROTECTION WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND FEEL THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD NOT APPROVE THE PROJECT. SOUTHEAST SUMMIT MILOT & LARKIN DORSET STREET RAMSEY PROPERTY PLANS REVIEWED BY THIS DEPARTMENT AND MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED ON WATER AND HYDRANT SYSTEM AS WELL AS BUILDINGS SIZE AND ACCESS. #4. 3073 WILLISTON ROAD MICHAEL A. ABAIR I RECIEVED A REPORT WHEN DOING AN INSPECTION ON THE PROPERTY THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT BE GOING THROUGH. 0 y I A -9 We he �2 5 (1 A/ v 7 (t M E M O R A N D U M r To: South Burlington Planning Commission From: William J. Szymanski, City Manager Re: August 9, 1988 agenda items Date: August 5, 1988 2 HART-OSGOOD PARKING LOT, KIM LL AVENUE 1. The Kimball Avenue sidewalk should be extended across the entire frontage of this parcel. 2. The existing curb cuts along Kimball Avenue should be closed especially if this lot ends up permanent. 3. Depth of parking lot gravel base material shall be specified, also sand sub -base is necessary. 4. There should be a few trees planted along the front. 3) SUMMER WOODS, PATCHEN ROAD 1. The original approved plan was a much better plan. This plan lacks parking. It has what appears to be a long private drive with an inadequate turnaround especially for large delivery vehicles. 4) SOUTHEAST SUMMIT, DORSET STREET 1. Going two miles into an undeveloped area with a development this large is too far. The City should have time to at least plan for City services mainly water, sewers and street improvements for the area. 2. Dorset Street south of Swift is in very poor condition and has to be rebuilt. It will take the City many years to do this under the annual budget process. 1