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Home My WebLink AboutSD-22-10 - Supplemental - 0500 Old Farm Road (75)1 Marla Keene From:Paul Conner Sent:Monday, November 7, 2022 2:32 PM To:Tom Dipietro; Marla Keene; Adam Cate; Erica Quallen Subject:RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study I’m good as written. I think we’ve been sufficiently specific and the range of costs amongst the quick builds is not that wild. Paul Conner, AICP Director of Planning & Zoning City of South Burlington 180 Market Street, South Burlington, VT 05401 (802) 846-4106 www.sbvt.gov Notice - Under Vermont’s Public Records Act, all e-mail, e-mail attachments as well as paper copies of documents received or prepared for use in matters concerning City business, concerning a City official or staff, or containing information relating to City business are likely to be regarded as public records which may be inspected by any person upon request, unless otherwise made confidential by law. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. From: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 2:28 PM To: Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov>; Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study Marla, I like what you’ve written. If possible, I would like to define what we’re all working towards as a solution. That will help us coordinate our efforts in the future. At this time, we haven’t selected a preferred alternative from the “quick build” options. However, I’m pretty sure that we don’t want jersey barriers. As much as I don’t like the existing bollards we have for our path (on Dorset St), I think they would work here in a temporary fashion. We can then redesign the road surface and lanes when (1) we replace/repair the existing culvert or (2) when the City’s budget can accommodate a ~$800,000 project for this short length of path. All - Please jump in if you have significant concerns with this approach! Thanks, Tom 2 From: Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 2:15 PM To: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov>; Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study This is what I’ve written under the heading of “safe pedestrian movement.” The applicant is proposing to end the recreation path on Kimball Ave prior to the property line, citing permitting costs for crossing a wetland. There is an existing path on Kimball Ave that begins approximately 100 ft south of the project limit. City of South Burlington has performed a feasibility study to connect the project area to the existing path. The Board finds the applicant shall modify their plans to bend the end of the proposed segment of recreation path to the roadway to facilitate future City construction of “quick build” alternatives identified in the feasibility study, and that the alignment of the recreation path in this location shall be reviewed and approved by the Director of Public Works for consistency with the City’s current plan for connection prior to issuance of a zoning permit for its construction. Since writing that, Tom has suggested perhaps we want them to actually build the “quick build” alternative. I think in order to do that, we’d have to know which option we want. I’d like to find a way to defer that decision, but given the broad range of costs, I’m not sure I can. Paul, your thoughts on whether we can contort the approval to leave it undecided, and Tom, any further thoughts on what I have written instead? Marla Keene, PE Development Review Planner City of South Burlington (802) 846-4106 From: Marla Keene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 11:19 AM To: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov>; Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study It is an interesting question regarding their timing. They are anticipating completing the 155 homes currently proposed for final plat approval in a 5-year timeframe. The sidewalk is proposed to be concurrent with the first of the non- residential (or multifamily) lots for which no design has yet been presented. The Board may push it up to the 125th home though, we’ll find out in a couple weeks. If it were to be concurrent with the first non-residential lot, we don’t actually have a timeline, but something on the order of 5-6 years is probably reasonable. Marla Keene, PE Development Review Planner City of South Burlington (802) 846-4106 From: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:37 AM To: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: Re: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study 3 32’ of road there. I just measured. That should give some decent options. Get Outlook for iOS From: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:29:41 AM To: Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov>; Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study I think we may want to do that. We may want to move forward with engineering/permitting on the current schedule and have it ready for construction a year or two later. Also, if this project is in our CIP on a realistic time table then we may not need to move the temporary solution forward. From: Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:23 AM To: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov>; Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study That seems like what they are saying. We can definitely push the CIP project a few years to line up better. Notice - Under Vermont’s Public Records Act, all e-mail, e-mail attachments as well as paper copies of documents received or prepared for use in matters concerning City business, concerning a City official or staff, or containing information relating to City business are likely to be regarded as public records which may be inspected by any person upon request, unless otherwise made confidential by law. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. From: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 9:28 AM To: Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov>; Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study It was my understanding that O’brien wasn’t planning to build their section of path for 4-5 years, so FY28ish. Am I remembering that correctly? From: Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 8:05 AM To: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov>; Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study 4 Hi Tom – I agree that we should connect on this. Paul and I spoke a bit about this yesterday after the meeting and we think there is a pretty simple solution with a little striping, some bollards, and O’Brien bringing their path to a curb cut. Also, the $800k crossing project is in the bike/ped CIP to be designed and constructed in FY24-FY26. Thanks! Erica Notice - Under Vermont’s Public Records Act, all e-mail, e-mail attachments as well as paper copies of documents received or prepared for use in matters concerning City business, concerning a City official or staff, or containing information relating to City business are likely to be regarded as public records which may be inspected by any person upon request, unless otherwise made confidential by law. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. From: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2022 4:13 PM To: Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Marla Keene <mkeene@southburlingtonvt.gov> Cc: Adam Cate <acate@SouthBurlingtonVT.gov> Subject: RE: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study All, I think we should find a few minutes to talk about the “Quick Build” options (starting on page 18 of the report linked below). This may be a reasonable way for us to connect the path proposed by the O’brien project to the existing path at Community Drive in the near term. Perhaps we could cost share this connection with O’brien, and/or use some impact fees for this work? We can also plug this full, $800,000 project into the CIP and see when it is possible/likely that the City could undertake design and construction of this portion of path on our own. -Tom From: Erica Quallen <equallen@southburlingtonvt.gov> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2022 2:49 PM To: Tom Dipietro <tdipietro@southburlingtonvt.gov>; Paul Conner <pconner@southburlingtonvt.gov> Subject: Potash Brook Path Crossing Scoping Study Final_PotashBrk_PathCrossingFeasibility.pdf (ccrpcvt.org) 5 Notice - Under Vermont’s Public Records Act, all e-mail, e-mail attachments as well as paper copies of documents received or prepared for use in matters concerning City business, concerning a City official or staff, or containing information relating to City business are likely to be regarded as public records which may be inspected by any person upon request, unless otherwise made confidential by law. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return email. 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