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MEETING MINUTES
26 OCTOBER 2021
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The South Burlington Planning Commission held a regular meeting on Tuesday, 26 October
2021, at 7:00 p.m., in the Auditorium, City Hall, 180 Market Street, and via Go to Meeting
remote technology.
MEMBERS PRESENT: J. Louisos, Chair; B. Gagnon, T. Riehle, M. Ostby, M. Mittag, D. Macdonald,
P. Engels
ALSO PRESENT: P. Conner, Director of Planning and Zoning; D. Philibert, R. Gonda, N. Hyman,
M. Simonaeu, Rep. J. Killacky, Sen. T. Chittenden, S. Dopp, R. Greco, C. Trombly, M. Transfeld, S.
Berman, S. Bartlett, B. Jarvis, L. Ravin, A. MacIlwaine, L. Kingsbury, K. Boyk, J. Bellavance, K.
Ryder, R. Dahlstrom, J. Nick, L. Yankowski, A. Strong, N. Smith, S. Dooley, D. Leban, T. Bailey, C.
Shaw, A. Chalnick, E. Langfeldt, V. Bolduc, B. Zigmund, C. Hignite, J. Chaulot, T. Zylka, M. Cota, L.
Poteau, R. Hubbard, C. Shaw, D. Peters, C. Long, N. Necrason, J. Killacky, T. McKenzie, A. Gill, C.
Frank, D. Long, B. Sirvis, Alyson Chalnick, M. Emery, F. MacDonald, G. Kjelleren, F. von
Turkovich, K. Van Woert, D. Smith, J. Nick, L. Ravin, N. Smith, J. Larkin, C. Jensen
1. Instructions on exiting the building in case of an emergency:
Ms. Louisos provided instruction on exiting the building in an emergency.
2. Agenda: Additions, deletions or changes in order of agenda items:
No changes were made to the agenda.
3. Open to the public for items not related to the Agenda:
No issues were raised.
4. Planning Commissioner announcements and staff report:
No announcements or reports were presented.
5. Public Hearing on Draft Land Development Regulations:
Mr. Mittag moved to open the public hearing. Mr. Riehle seconded. Motion passed
unanimously.
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Ms. Louisos noted the Commission had received a number of written comments, and these
have been distributed to members. She read the list of those who had provided written
comments.
Public comments was then taken as follows:
Mr. Transfeld, a science teacher at SBHS, introduced 3 members of the school’s “Green Team”
who then addressed the Commission:
Ms. Berman: Vermont is known for its natural beauty and how we use our land has an
impact on that. She noted that species are going extinct and that the bumble bee is now on
the endangered list. She also cited the importance of trees as the heat increases.
Ms. Bartlett: Significant changes are needed to keep Vermont as it is. Open land is
important. She hoped the Commission would take steps to save the future for young
people.
Ms. Jarvis: South Burlington needs to be part of the solution. The atmosphere will warm
enough to create unlivable areas. Renovating buildings is better than using up land for new
buildings. Wants to be able to tell children and grandchildren we were part of the solu tion.
Mr. MacIlwaine: Represented UVM and lands owned by the University. He outlined legal issues
that the city has not so far addressed. The first of these involves the limitations on municipal
bylaws 24 VSA 4413. The University’s position is that the designation of habitat blocks on UVM
owned land is not legal, and the environmental standards proposed to restrict development on
University land is also not legal. Secondly, even if the Statutes did not apply, there is also a
constitutional issue. What is proposed would be a taking, leaving a property economically not
viable. Mr. MacIlwaine said that unless the proposed LDRs are modified to address this
concern, it will give UVM grounds to claim a legal taking.
Ms. Ravin: Also representing UVM, she said that in addition to the previous 2 issues there is
the issue of a “master plan” that it appears UVM would fall under. It is UVM’s position that
they should not fall under this obligation. UVM has its own “master plan” which looks far into
the future. She said they have run into this issue in other communities, and “it doesn’t work
well.” Ms. Ravin also noted what UVM believes to be errors on maps. In one instance, the
property shown as UVM land is not as large as the property actually is. She cited the need to
have a constructive conversation.
Mr. Simoneau: A number of events this week brought him back to the housing issue. There
was a speech by the Beta owners about their growing company. The question is where their
housing needs will be met. Then at a brainstorming session with Building Homes Together,
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there is an attempt to figure out strategies. Market rate housing goals are being met, but
affordable housing goals are not being met for Chittenden County. Mr. Simoneau is concerned
that some regulations will make it hard to satisfy the housing needs not only at the lower
economic end. He noted that the Affordable Housing Committee had generated a Resolution
with 4 or 5 recommended changes to the proposed LDRs. These include not mandatin g a
Conservation PUD in the Southeast Quadrant (SEQ) but giving property owners a choice and not
making conservation provisions be in perpetuity. He was concerned with not giving future
legislators the ability to make wise decisions.
Mr. Hyman: Supports the LDRs 100%. Supports what SBHS students said; disheartened by
UVM.
Ms. Bellavance: Our survival depends on nature. Land use is connected to climate change. She
did not feel it is necessary to develop the SEQ to its maximum. It is important to care about the
health of future generations and protect natural resources. She added that habitat blocks
provide millions of dollars in service and felt there should be added buffers around these
blocks. Also referred to the Earth Economics study showing $4-15 million a year in eco-services
on 20 parcels.
Ms. Ryder: She understands the “tug of war” between affordable housing and conservation
and feels we are hurtling to a crisis in both of these areas. She felt some unused buildings could
be converted to housing. She also questioned having a minimum density in some areas.
Ms. Boyk: A member of the Natural Resources and Conservation Committee which has asked
to be included in the consideration of any development th at may encroach on a conservation
area. She would like to see environmental restoration activities be allowed in the LDRs. She
also felt some plant species should be allowed to be removed in favor of diversity of plantings.
In the section on wetlands, she felt allowing some chemical agents to be allowed for removal of
invasive species. She also noted a possible typo in Sect. 12.7g3.
Mr. Dahlstrom: Was concerned that with the new regulations he cannot build a house on his
property for his children/grandchildren. He was also concerned with “changing the rules mid-
stream.”
Mr. Gonda: The idea of balance between housing and conservation bothers him. He felt the
idea of Interim Zoning was that things were out of balance and development had gone too f ar.
He felt the Commission had gone “off track” with the minimum 4 per acre proposal.
Another member of the Natural Resources Committee: The new LDRs promote conservation,
but they also go against the climate resolution because they extend commutes by p eople who
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cannot find housing in the city. He recommended allowing restoration projects and increased
involvement of the NRCC.
Mr. Nick: He is a partner in the Hill Farm property and noted that the Regional Planning
Commission calls for that property to be part of the growth center in order to maintain the
employment base. The city’s map calls for that property to be mostly non -residential with
medium intensity use. The proposed LDRs don’t allow for this.. Mr. Nick noted the lack of land
in the county for growth which will result in growth leapfrogging to Essex, Hinesburg and
beyond. This will cause commuting instead of providing a live/work environment. He also
questioned why there are habitat blocks along the Interstate where habitat doesn’t really exist.
He noted the consultant did nothing “on the ground” to identify habitat.
Ms. Yankowski: Felt UVM should be held to the same standard as everyone else. She noted they
have an increased student population with cars that increase pollution. Should d o whatever we
can to protect open space. She also understood the need for jobs which results in tough
decisions.
Ms. Van Woert: Natural resources benefit all of us, but sprawl is also detrimental. She has
noticed the disappearance of wildlife in the Cider Mill development where she lives because
areas are being mowed. She felt development should be required around trees. She also felt
that redevelopment should be subsidized.
Mr. Strong: Shrubs and grasslands are important. 15 of the habitat blocks provide important
services to the city (e.g., stormwater mitigation). There are currently 1290 new homes in some
stage of approval, 26% of which are in the SEQ. There will be a 13% population grow th in 10
years. If 2 people move into those 1290 homes, it will equal the growth in the last decade.
Mr. Smith: Didn’t feel building out should be a goal. Building should go up. He didn’t object to
development and cited City Center as good development. Stressed protecting the Great
Swamp.
Ms. Dopp: Proposed changing the title of the document from Land Development Regulations to
Land Use Regulations. Favored development in City Center and protecting other areas of the
city. She felt that sacrificing South Burlington won’t protect other towns.
Mr. Trombly: It is frustrating to hear we want to concentrate those who need housing the most
in certain areas of the city. Zoning should decide who lives where. He favored 4 units on a plot
that would otherwise have one home. He said one building with 4 units won’t use up any more
land than a large single home. Use land wisely.
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Ms. Dooley: Did not see conserving resources as opposed to providing housing. She noted a
Conservation PUD requires conserving 70% of the land and using the base density of the whole
parcel in the 30% developable area. She felt having 4 units per acre was necessary to meet
that. She also noted that development rights from conserved areas can be used as TDRs. She
said TDRs haven’t been used because a developer will take the path of least resistance and
build larger houses on larger plots of land. She asked the Commission not to let achieving
unanimity be a measure of success, and don’t cast aside judgment to get unanimity.
Ms. Greco: You can control how land is used. The devil is in the details. Cited the need to think
of priorities, and she couldn’t think of a higher priority than our natural resources.
Ms. Leban: Cited the Village at Dorset Park, which is built at 4 units per acre, as “ahead of its
time.” It allows for some yards, single family and some duplexes and quads. There was land
deeded to the city for a park. It is a lovely community with ponds and trees, wildlife, some
swampland. The neighborhood was affordable when it was built. She felt developers should
not be allowed to remove topsoil from the land as it make it harder to garden.
Mr. Bailey: Urged the Commission not to rush to a decision tonight but read and reflect on
comments. He noted that only 30% of city employees can afford to live in the cit y. He felt
housing should be planned around employment.
Mr. Shaw: Felt the TDR market has been underutilized. He agreed with Ms. Leban about R-4
districts and felt they are just the right size to have a sense of community. He is concerned the
LDRs will create expensive communities and people won’t be able to afford to live in South
Burlington.
A lawyer representing J. Larkin, Inc., expressed concern about conservation areas. He said both
housing and conservation are important, and the cost should be borne city-wide, not just by a
few land owners.
Mr. Hyman: Is 100% for housing but we also have to protect animals and the eco -system.
Mr. Chalnick: Things the LDRs fall short of addressing the crisis we are facing. 75% of the city is
paved over, and every watershed is impaired. Does not want to see a minimum density. Also
feels the regulations are confusing. Landowners should have the maximum ability to conserve
land.
Mr. Langfeldt: Felt there is a lack of clarity on some issues and urged the Co mmission to review
the details.
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Mr. V. Bolduc: He has yet to meet anyone who wants to pave over the SEQ. He stressed that
exaggerating is not good for reaching consensus.
Ms. Dooley: Asked the process for here on. Ms. Louisos said the Commission wil l deliberate
and maybe make changes, and then get the document to the City Council in the short term.
Mr. Conner said that Mr. Trombly noted a technical error to the approved definitions of
affordability that the City Council adopted last year. That will be fixed.
As there was no further public comment, Mr. Riehle moved to close the public hearing. Mr.
Mittag seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
Mr. Conner then reviewed some items from the staff memo as follows:
a. C-1/R-12 applicability: members were OK with this
b. Allowing congregate care/social services only in the transit overlay district:
Ms. Ostby didn’t see the harm. Mr. Conner noted that Tilley Drive is served
by a shuttle supported by the Medical Center. Mr. Gagnon asked whether
this would affect the future development of medical offices. Mr. Conner said
this would be only in a certain area. Ms. Dooley said people with Medicaid
would get bus service, and there is service on Rt. 116. You can actually go to
Middlebury. Mr. Conner said this is just for consistency
c. Terms that staff is working of definitions of (no action was needed).
d. In the Village area, the Commission asked that where there is a Conservation
PUD required, development on a parcel that is smaller than a Conservation
PUD, the question is whether to set a maximum of 4 or keep it at 8 units per
acre. This is only with the purchase of TDRs. Members stated they were ok
with keeping it as it presently is, at 8.
e. Staff was asked that each TND unit have some private outer space. Staff is
recommending something that says there must be access to outdoor space.
This could be a balcony, patio, etc. There could be a minimum amount of
Space. This would be attached to Article 11c. Members were OK with this.
f. Regarding side setbacks for attached units, staff suggests creating an
exemption to the minimum side setback. Members were OK with this.
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g. Regarding housing preservation, if the property was converted to something
other than childcare in the future, the fee for housing preservation would
have to be paid.
h. Regarding medical offices in R-12, this has been left as it currently is so the
Commission can discuss it.
i. This will be left unchanged.
j. Regarding TDRs, the legal review flagged that affordable units don’t require
TDRs to be purchased in the SEQ, so that with inclusionary zoning you can’t
require a TDR for the offset units.
k. Regarding limited authority, Mr. Conner acknowledged that 24 VSA 4413
does place limited authority on a municipality. As a general statement, legal
feels that State Statutes outweigh what the DRB can do. Those Statutes
were written to provide this limitation. Mr. Conner said staff wants to
continue the dialog with UVM, but if 24VSA4413 outweighs the LDRs, so be
it. Mr. Riehle asked whether this requires changing the zoning of the Edlund
property. Mr. Conner said there are no zoning changes. Ms. Ostby was OK
keeping the regulations in case the property got sold in the future.
Mr. Gagnon said the Commission has a ton of comments from different perspectives. They
spent a lot of time talking about these things, and he was concerned with rehashing and ending
up with the same thing. Mr. Mittag agreed and said felt they need to read and absorb all the
comments. Ms. Ostby stressed the need to be aware of deadlines and said that no matter
where they end up, there will be questions. She also felt that the Commission should commit
to reviewing what they end up with to see how things are going.
Mr. Gagnon noted the City Council will have its own public hearing and questioned whether the
Commission should spend time on something and then have the Council say they want
something else. He was not averse to a special meeting when they are “fresh and rested.” Mr.
Riehle said if the vote is 4-3, it isn’t worth wasting time on.
Mr. Conner reminded members that the Council wants materials in time to warn a public
hearing prior to the end of Interim Zoning. The last day they can get things is 8 November. He
suggested a special meeting on Tuesday with a possible second meeting on Wednesday, if
needed.
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After discussion, members agreed to a special meeting on Tuesday, 2 November and a possible
meeting on Thursday, 4 November.
6. Grant Approval:
Mr. Gagnon moved to approve the application for a Municipal Planning Grant, for the
Government Operations chapter of the City’s Climate Action Plan, as presented. Mr. Mittag
seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
7. Other Business:
Staff noted that the Planning Commissions of Winooski and Burlington provided notice of
upcoming public hearings. Information in the Commission’s packet.
As there was no further business to come before the Commission, the meeting was adjourned
by common consent at 9:50 p.m.
Minutes approved by the Planning Commission January 11, 2022