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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSP-83-0000 - Decision - 0000 Dorset StreetDecember 14, 1983 Attorney Peter Sidel Sidel & Associates P.O. Box 115 Waitsfield, Vermont 05673 Dear Peter: Be advised that your request to barricade the access road between Indian Creek and Ridgewood Estates has been denied by the Planning Commission at their December 13, 1983 meeting. The Commission feels that the access should be kept open and maintained for use by emergency vehicles. If you have any questions concerning your request please don't hesitate to call we. Very truly, Richard Ward, Zoning Administrative Officer IW/erg 2. PLANNING COMMISSION DECEMBER 13, 1983 Public hearing, preliminary plat application, 57 lot subdivision of Mr. Homer Dubois, Hinesburg Road Mr. Trudell said the existing 12" main at the edge of the Mitel property would be extended to provide water for this development off Hinesburg Road. Sewer lines will be put in to the pump station on the Mitel site. The portion of the site nearest Hinesburg Road will be the housing development under discussion now. Behind that is a wooded area, which is lower and wet. Behind that area is land left for an agricultural area and a corridor to tie various areas together to facilitate agricultural use. The plan also shows an area being considered for future multi -family use. There are no plans for that area right now. Mr. Trudell said one cul-de-sac had been left in the road layout - the access for the future multi -family area will be through that point. There will be a pump station on a small lot near the cul-de-sac. Some of the lots will have gravity flow north to south, where the pump station will pick up the flow and pump it back south to north toward the Mitel pump station. Water lines inside the development will be 10", to serve any future development of the area. Drainage will go toward the low area behind the housing lots. Mr. Arthur Toutant said he lived on Hinesburg Road adjacent to this area. He owns 7 112 acres and runs a bird farm there. He said that there is almost no percolation in the area, and that for 3 to 4 weeks in the spring the runoff is very heavy. Mr. Trudell said that they would .take another look at that. Mr. Toutant said he also wanted to go on record as stating that he had a lot of birds and that at certain times of the year they were very noisy. His 30-40 peacocks make a lot of noise early in the morning during mating season. He said he was planning to raise 5,000 turkeys as well, and that having so many birds produces a lot of manure. It was noted that the agricultural use was grandfathered, but if Mr. Toutant sells any of his land, he will be in violation of the zoning requiring a minimum acreage for this type of use. Mr. Trudell said all the engineering items had been cleared up, but that they would update the plans and bring them back in. It was noted that it might be in the developer's best interests to create a buffer between the house lots and Mr. Toutant's farm. Mrs. Maher moved to continue consideration of the preliminary plat application of Mr. Homer Dubois to the next regularly scheduled meeting, on December 27, 1983 at 7:30 pm at City Hall. Mr. Mona seconded the motion and it passed with all voting aye. Consider request of Attorney Peter Sidel to close off the access road between Indian Creek and Ridgewood Estates Mr. Poger noted that when Ridgewood was approved originally, the Commission had wanted a road to run from Dorset St. to Swift St. When Ridgewood was split into two developments, the Commission was asked to have the access road closed, but they refused. Now they are being asked again. 11r. Sidel said that in the early 1970's the Commission minutes note a concern about a through road in this development. Kr. Poger said it was designed with curves to slow traffic and make it safer. fir. Sidel said the Indian Creek homeowners had met recently and had agreed with the Ridgewood owners that they would like the access between the two closed. This would promote harmony between the two areas. The residents feel that there is quite a bit of traffic during the day over the road and that the speed of cars has increased, perhaps because there are no homes near a portion of the road. Children are also using this open area for a play area. 3. PLANNING COMMISSION DECEMBER 13, 1983 Mr. Sidel said the access road, once improved, could be blocked off in a couple of ways - with a break -away lock, or with plastic pipe across the road. Both of these suggestions are contained in Mr. Sidel's 12/6/83 letter to the Commission. He also stated that he felt one of the two associations should be responsible for maintaining the through road, that there be an agreement on that with the city, and that there be a bond posted. Mr. Sidel said the Fire Chief had told him he had no concerns about blocking the road, except for how it would be maintained. Mr. Poger read the letter from the Chief regarding this proposal, which he felt said that the Chief did not want the road blocked. Mr. Sidel said that if the plan he had put forth did not work, it could be dismantled and that would be an end to it. Mr. Poger noted that conditional approvals by. the Planning Commission had not worked out well in the past. Mr. Poger asked if anyone on the Commission wished to make a motion on this request. Hearing no one, he assumed that no one wanted to have the road closed, and was told that was correct. Continued hearing on Bourdeau-Rye property, 28 unit planned unit development, Mr. Gerald Milot and Mr. Daniel O'Brien Mr. Milot said they had met with the City Manager -Engineer and had incorporated the changes he wanted to the plans. Mr. Milot said they would put in a length of sidewalk equal to the frontage of the lot. They can start it at the corner of Kennedy Drive, if the Commission wants, but Mr. Milot asked who would build the walk to the far side of their lot if they do start at the corner. The person who builds to the south of this lot will have to start his sidewalk on the lot in question here. He also pointed out that the area near the corner needed some more fill before a sidewalk could be built on it. It was decided that the sidewalk should be in front of this lot. Mr. Milot said when he got the bid for the walk, he could take it to the City Manager, because it might make sense for the city to build the walk to the corner at the same time. Mr. Milot said Mr. O'Brien had met with the Georgetown people, who had felt that there would be no benefit to them to have an emergency access between the two properties. He said, however, that this property could provide access to the property line. That way, if Georgetown residents did decide in the future that it would benefit them,it would be possible to put in such an access. The Fire Chief's letter on this plan was discussed. He does not want to have to back his trucks out of the project if there is a fire. i-Ir. Milot said there was not enough room on the lot to lay out the project as the Chief' wants it. The Commission felt the Chief should come talk to them about the plan. Mr. Jacob moved to continue the public hearing on the Bourdeau-Rye property for two weeks, until December 27, 1983 at 7:30 pm at City Hall. Mr. Burgess seconded the motion and all voted for it. Consider request for one .year extension of Grandview .qr. Lyn Palin represented Grandview. He was asked the cost of the units, which are supposed to be low-cost. He said they were S43,900 with appliances and an off-peak and storage electric heating system. Mrs. Maher moved to grant the one year extension and Mr. Jacob seconded. The motion carried unanimously. Mr. Krassner felt there had been an erosion problem on the site in past years and it was decided that Mr. Ward would look into that.