HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes - Bicycle & Pedestrian Committee - 10/14/2020South Burlington Bike & Pedestrian Committee
Meeting Minutes
Wednesday, October 14, 2020 @ 5:30 p.m.
Meeting held virtually
Committee Attendees: Shawn Goddard, Cathy Frank, Bob Britt, Eric Silverman (NEW), Donna
Leban, Nic Anderson, Amanda Holland, Dana Farr, Havaleh Gagne
Other Attendees: Ashley (City Liaison), Paul Connor (City), Erik Alling (Stantec)
1. Welcome and review of process for virtual meetings - S. Goddard (5:30 p.m.)
a. Welcome to Eric! Discussed use of GoToMeeting. Cameras on (if possible). Just need to raise
hand on video to talk. Chat is downloaded and everything that is in chat is public record. If we
are discussing, ask people to announce themselves. If a vote, asking to state names for the
minutes. If public present, they should speak or state name in Chat for meeting minutes.
2. Orientation for new members (refresher for others) - S. Goddard (5:45 pm)
a) Open Meeting Law – Shawn asked everyone to review docs in the drive and keep up to speed on
it. Noted the top three things for open meeting law. Discussion only at meetings, need quorum
to make decisions (if there is a quorum it should be warned) and posting minutes within 5 days.
b) Meeting Schedule – Regularly meeting schedules are second weds of month. Special meetings
can be warned.
c) Online Agendas/Meetings Minutes/Etc. All posted in City Laserfiche for public access.
d) Google Drive & Laserfiche. Using a shared doc is not permitted, as it can be constituted as a
quorum ‘meeting’ on real time.
e) Committee Structure & Charge. Ashley is our City Liaison. Shawn is current Chair, Cathy is vice
chair and clerk is open. We also have subgroups and everyone can/is on a group.
3. Election of New Officers - All (6:00 pm)
a. Have to elect all three officers each year. Talked in the past about a rotation. Hadn’t voted
on officially but should at least keep that idea in mind.
b. Clerk – Nomination of Nic by Bob. Second by Cathy. Unanimously approved.
c. Vice Chair – Previously Cathy. Cathy interested. Nomination for Cathy to be vice chair by
Dana, Seconded by Donna. Unanimously approved.
d. Chair – Previously Shawn. Cathy nominated Shawn to remain chair. Seconded by Havaleh.
Unanimously approved.
a) Post-election the appointed Chair will convene the meeting. Shawn officially convened meeting.
b) The appointed Clerk will begin taking minutes. Nic began taking minutes
4 Changes or additions to the agenda (6:10 p.m.) No changes.
5. Comments from the public not related to the agenda (6:15 p.m.) No public present to speak
6. Consideration of minutes from the previous meeting (March, 2020) (6:25 p.m.) From March. Bill
submitted to Ashley. Shawn moved to approve. Seconded by Bob. All voted yes, except Havaleh and Eric
who abstained.
7. Major – Review Scoping Study memo – Paul Conner & Ashley (6:30 p.m. – 15 min)
Paul Connor introduced memo’s and project team recommendations. Discussed having a
process to review and discuss with BPC. Bob suggested going through. Paul happy to walk through one
by one.
• Spear Street – Detailed north and south recommendations. Looking to it as a phased project for
north of Swift. Bob asked about cost. Includes paving. Would P4P money be just for the
widening and striping. Ashley thinks it would not be using any P4P money. Would need to ask
Justin. So presently in the CIP there is 600K allocated for rec path so confused on numbers.
Assume Justin’s numbers are more accurate than the 300K in this proposal. Paul noted the
changes that would be needed, such as jug handle. Scoping studies are not about prioritizing
based on other projects. Not one in the same as CIP. Take action on recommended alternatives.
Amanda asked how they would be defined as bike lanes now. They seem to be OK. Depends on
width and pinch points? Donna asked about bottom of dip under highway with sand and gravel.
Havaleh agrees that there is gravel issues and debris there. Hope this could be fixed. Asking for
Committee to endorse the recommended options for each of these things so that it is clear into
the future. Donna mentioned that it could be done in parts. Ashley noted that those details can
be done in engineering. Bob wants to make sure we can keep to timelines of the big picture
piece of the project and getting it built on a timely basis based on the CIP. Ashley noted that the
CIP is still out best guess. Bob wants caveat that we try to stick to the timeline. This will
essentially feed into a policy addition to City Council. Shawn made a motion to endorse and
ensure that we attempt to continue with the CIP timeline for the rec path. Cathy seconded the
motion. Unanimously endorsed.
• Hinesburg Rd – Option 1 lanes and crosswalks as short term and rec path as alternative 2. State
would have final decision on 10ft travel lanes. Asking for endorsement. Nic noted that
crosswalks be prioritized at the same time as striping and that sidewalk is not in good condition
and would be concerned if rec path took too long to get done, that sidewalk degraded more. Nic
recommended that Prouty Parkway be prioritized due to high use by high school students and
others connecting through from Mayfair Park. Bob noted 60K in CIP for this project. This has
180K. Ashley thinking this one we go to design quickly. Cathy moved to approve, Second by
Amanda. Unanimously approved.
• Allen Road – Paul noted options and variations. Staff recommended with restriping with
facilities and then Allen Rd path as a second phase. Bob surprised its not a sidewalk project.
Donna noted there is ability to bike but no sidewalk accommodations. Studying a sidewalk
makes more sense. Nic noted bike path may be cheaper than sidewalk anyway. Noted people
with canes walking on side of road lately. Shawn asked if they could pull it off and discuss again.
Paul noted if we aren’t ready to endorse this one. Hoping to get people from Pillsbury Manor
down to Shelburne Rd. Bob thinks Justin already striped it. Option 1 may be a non-event without
the sidewalk. Straw vote to see which options the committee likes the most. Paul noted that
from a bike perspective it wouldn’t be a high demand rec path. More for peds. Shawn thinks
there is ped demand in this area. Donna, a 5ft sidewalk could do the trick. Paul has a sense from
the Committee and will bring it back to staff.
• Fayette Rd – No ideal scenario. Proposal had three different transitions. Staff would like to
engage with Larkin developer and come back to at this time. Shawn agrees that none of the
plans seemed clean. Too much traffic to have different options. Paul would like to have a
separate work session with the Committee to look over the plans in more detail. Bob noted that
Queen City Park was a more important piece. Can take Queen City Park as your feedback. It is in
the CIP.
• Williston Rd and Kennedy Crosswalks – Recommended two of the three on Williston Road
based on foot traffic and distance. Recommending offset design to limit folks from shooting
straight across. Nic asked about plowing ability and Justin seems happy. Bob has feedback that
Pillsbury Manor crosswalk was moved west so that middle lane can be used for people pulling
out. Nic concerned that the central lane is supposed to be for turning, not pulling out and
merging. Shawn noted that they use it during high traffic periods. Paul and Justin happy to
review publics questions and provide feedback if they want. Ashley noted this is more
engineering than scoping. Really wants to mainly know the locations work and will fine tune
location. Motion by Cathy to approve going forward with the 2 and leaving Davis until later.
Seconded by Amanda. Nic would recommend that the existing path connect directly to the
crosswalk without the plaza, maybe an upside-down Y shape. That could be an easy change
during engineering. Paul will consider later.
• Kennedy Drive at Twin Oaks – Recommendation for removing right turn, adding left turn onto
W. Twin Oaks and having offset crosswalk. Nic asked if bus stop would be retained. Yes at this
stage. Motion by Bob to support recommendations. Second by Donna. Unanimously approved.
8. Major – Dorset Street Shared Use Path Project Update – Ashley & Erik Alling, Stantec (6:45 p.m.
– 15 min)
• Joined by Erik Alling. Submitted to VTRANS plans, estimations and and Permit Application
submitted too. Erik shared presentation. Path plan from Sadie Lane to Old Cross Rd. Walked
through the project plan in detail. Having 7 ft grass buffer, asking for utility poles to be moved,
some trees may not be able to be saved. Nic asked about crosswalks. Would be included.
Nothing enhanced, just crosswalks. No permanent impact to ROW, just temporary. Need NEPA
guidance. Anticipating formal public meeting. Can do utility work at the same time. Looking at
summer of 2022 or Spring 2023 for anticipated construction. Amanda asked about location of
swale and maintenance. With slope, what would it mean for winter icing. Erik noted ditches
would not be require for stormwater and not needing maintenance. 2in cross slope will not
present issues for snow melt or icing. Dana asked what fence would look like. VTRANS would
pay for chain link which could be upgraded if we wanted to explore other options in design
phase. Noted deer action and wildlife. Likely 4ft galvanized. Nic asked about the impacts to the
Mill. Currently staying off their property. Shawn would like some barrier to make sure cars at
the Mill do not roll onto path or project into it. Nic would like to see something more than a
curb. Wheels up to a curb could easily still have hood over the path. Would like to discuss more
for engineering. Should have a public meeting at some point. Ashley noted the public session we
had for White Street which could be doable. This meeting would not count towards meeting
federal funding requirements. Should have something in the next six months. No formal vote
needed. Thanks to Erik for presenting.
9. Major - Updates from the City - Ashley (7:00 p.m. - 15 min)
a) P4P active projects update
i) Kimball Ave bridge has been moved up in time, because of receiving grant. Will be sooner
than before.
ii) Transportation Alternatives grant. Cap is low 300K. Nov 27 deadline. Do folks think we have
something we should ask for and asked for help if someone wanted to push for it. Asked
committee to look over CIP. Bob was also on the call. He thinks there are three projects that
he would love to discuss with Ashley.
b) Review and provide comment on proposed CIP for FY22
i) CIP is very long. Ashley has been dealing with Bob and others. Shawn thinks it might be good
to have some time to get everyone up to speed and help Eric review. Bob will type up his
notes and send through.
ii) Ashley noted that some CIP projects that have different funding sources that may not be
realized due to COVID budget constraints. May need to look at using more P4P funds if we
want things to move.
c) Review proposed changes to the impact fee ordinance
i) Bob asked if there was anything on Recreation Impact Fee. Ashley - No
d) Discuss Joint Meeting on October 27th to review Underwood updates
i) One item is Underwood. Ashley asked people to attend to discuss. 5:30pm start time.
10. Updates: Other Committee work/comments - Any (7:15 p.m. - 15min)
o General status updates from committee members (~1-3min per person, max)
No time. Pushed to next week.
11. Confirmation: Discuss change in date (Regular meeting would be: 11/11/2020, 5:30 pm)
Shawn asked about future meetings. Ashley noted, yes we are back to regular scheduled
meetings, just virtually. Need to work out November meeting because it falls on a federal holiday. No
CIP review so better to use time to discuss meeting times. Shawn suggested three times: The most
obvious potential alternatives are: Tue - Nov 10, Thu - Nov 12, Wed - Nov 18. Ashley doesn’t want us to
base the decision on her. Shawn proposed to move to November 12th at 5:30. All in favor. Ashley to
book GoToMeeting. Dana noted Dec 9 meeting is day before Hanukah. No conflicts from any one. Will
keep Dec 9 meeting.
12. Adjourn (by 7:30 p.m.) Adjourned at 7:28pm